{"id":10923,"date":"2021-04-20T12:45:02","date_gmt":"2021-04-20T10:45:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.forschungregion.de\/forsch-podcast-dirty-baths-in-rome-social-distancing-in-athens\/"},"modified":"2025-10-24T14:04:49","modified_gmt":"2025-10-24T12:04:49","slug":"forsch-podcast-dirty-baths-in-rome-social-distancing-in-athens","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.forschungregion.de\/en\/forsch-podcast-dirty-baths-in-rome-social-distancing-in-athens\/","title":{"rendered":"Forsch!-Podcast: Dirty Baths in Rome &#8211; Social Distancing in Athens"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"10923\" class=\"elementor elementor-10923 elementor-4366\" data-elementor-post-type=\"post\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-e052bf1 elementor-section-stretched elementor-section-height-min-height elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-items-middle\" data-id=\"e052bf1\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-settings=\"{&quot;stretch_section&quot;:&quot;section-stretched&quot;,&quot;background_background&quot;:&quot;gradient&quot;}\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-background-overlay\"><\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-no\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-d6088e2\" data-id=\"d6088e2\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-66a8cd5 elementor-align-center elementor-widget elementor-widget-breadcrumbs\" data-id=\"66a8cd5\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"breadcrumbs.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<p id=\"breadcrumbs\"><span><span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.forschungregion.de\/en\/forschungregion-braunschweig\/\">Startseite<\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-ed10cf8 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"ed10cf8\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-f1059ad\" data-id=\"f1059ad\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-8135853 elementor-widget elementor-widget-theme-post-title elementor-page-title elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"8135853\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"theme-post-title.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h1 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Forsch!-Podcast: Dirty Baths in Rome &#8211; Social Distancing in Athens<\/h1>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-186d76d elementor-widget elementor-widget-post-info\" data-id=\"186d76d\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"post-info.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<ul class=\"elementor-inline-items elementor-icon-list-items elementor-post-info\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"elementor-icon-list-item elementor-repeater-item-dc028ea elementor-inline-item\" itemprop=\"datePublished\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.forschungregion.de\/en\/2021\/04\/20\/\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-icon-list-icon\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<i aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fas fa-calendar-alt\"><\/i>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-icon-list-text elementor-post-info__item elementor-post-info__item--type-date\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<time>April 20, 2021<\/time>\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t<li class=\"elementor-icon-list-item elementor-repeater-item-3975275 elementor-inline-item\" itemprop=\"author\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.forschungregion.de\/en\/author\/louisa_larsen\/\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-icon-list-icon\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<i aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fas fa-user\"><\/i>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-icon-list-text elementor-post-info__item elementor-post-info__item--type-author\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tLouisa Larsen\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-520e4b7c elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"520e4b7c\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\r\n<p><strong>In the third episode of &#8220;Forsch! &#8211; 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The researcher reports on cleanliness in the famous Roman baths, which sexual practices were considered dirty in antiquity, and how people in ancient Greece dealt with epidemics.<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"732\" class=\"wp-image-4367\" src=\"https:\/\/www.forschungregion.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/Descharmes_2020-1024x732.jpg\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.forschungregion.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/Descharmes_2020-1024x732.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.forschungregion.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/Descharmes_2020-300x214.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.forschungregion.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/Descharmes_2020-768x549.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.forschungregion.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/Descharmes_2020-1536x1097.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.forschungregion.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/Descharmes_2020-2048x1463.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/www.forschungregion.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/Descharmes_2020-270x192.jpg 270w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/>\r\n<figcaption>Dr. Bernadette Descharmes, ancient historian, Technical University of Braunschweig. 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The Romans rubbed themselves with oils and ointments before bathing, leaving behind a thick film of dirt and grease. However, that was not a problem at the time, because: &#8220;Water was regarded as a substance that always cleans, no matter how dirty it actually was.&#8221;      <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>Unlike objective dirt, moral impurity refers to moral misconduct and which actions and behaviors were labeled as immoral. This was e.g. oral sex. The mouth of a Roman who indulged in this sexual practice was considered unclean and his kisses were avoided.  <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>Social impurity, on the other hand, is primarily about identifying social groups that are particularly affected by the insult &#8220;unclean.&#8221; In ancient Rome, these were primarily the freedmen, i.e. former slaves, the poor, the mass of ordinary citizens or prostitutes. <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h3><strong>Then and Now<\/strong><\/h3>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>The sense of cleanliness today is of course different than in ancient Rome. But even today, the idea of impurity plays a role. Like the Romans, we use words like &#8220;dirt&#8221; or &#8220;filth&#8221; to devalue something or to label it as morally wrong, e.g. in the context of political agitation. For example, during a television duel, Donald Trump used his opponent Hillary Clinton&#8217;s toilet break as an emotional means of devaluation by repeatedly referring to her as &#8220;disgusting.&#8221;    <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h3><strong>Social Distancing in Athens<\/strong><\/h3>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>From the topics of impurity and hygiene, it is only a small step to the current topics of infection control and pandemic. Descharmes took the Corona pandemic as an opportunity to deal with the plagues of antiquity in her courses at the TU Braunschweig. It is not surprising that her offer met with great interest among the students. Together they found out that there was already a certain understanding of the risks of infection in antiquity. Therefore, forms of social distancing were already known and there was also knowledge about immunity after surviving the disease.    <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>You can find out what else the Romans considered &#8220;dirty,&#8221; how the ancient poets and historians interpreted plagues, and how Dr. Bernadette Descharmes deals with digital teaching in times of Corona in this third episode of &#8220;Forsch.&#8221;<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><em>The podcast \u201cForsch! \u2013 Science in an Interview\u201d is a cooperation between the ForschungRegion Braunschweig and the Braunschweiger Zeitung. 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